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Bidding at the margins Does weak vs strong NT make a difference?

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Posted 2025-February-20, 04:39

East opens 1♦ playing a Weak NT otherwise 1NT 15-17

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Posted 2025-February-20, 05:09

View Postmw64ahw, on 2025-February-20, 04:39, said:

West opens 1♦ playing a Weak NT otherwise 1NT 15-17



what is the question ? This hand I am opening 1H. Change the major cards to minor cards and I contemplate opening 1NT if in the range
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Posted 2025-February-20, 05:26

View PostShugart23, on 2025-February-20, 05:09, said:

what is the question ? This hand I am opening 1H. Change the major cards to minor cards and I contemplate opening 1NT if in the range

Corrected - East opens
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Posted 2025-February-20, 05:37

1H
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Posted 2025-February-20, 05:38

1♥ over 1♦, 2♦-2♥-2♠ over a strong NT.
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Posted 2025-February-20, 05:43

View PostCyberyeti, on 2025-February-20, 05:38, said:

1♥ over 1♦, 2♦-2♥-2♠ over a strong NT.

Over 1♦-1♥ you will have a 1N response
Over 2♦-2♥-2♠ you will have a 3♥ response


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Posted 2025-February-20, 05:49

View Postmw64ahw, on 2025-February-20, 05:43, said:

Over 1♦-1♥ you will have a 1N response
Over 2♦-2♥-2♠ you will have a 3♥ response


2♣ Crowhurst
4♣ cue (4♦ by opener would be cue not LT for us, over which I'll bid 4♥)

I presume partner has the miracle Ax(x), KJx, AKJ10x, xx(x) for 12 off the top for this post to be made
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Posted 2025-February-20, 06:16

View PostCyberyeti, on 2025-February-20, 05:49, said:

2♣ Crowhurst
4♣ cue (4♦ by opener would be cue not LT for us, over which I'll bid 4♥)

I presume partner has the miracle Ax(x), KJx, AKJ10x, xx(x) for 12 off the top for this post to be made

Using Crowhurst do you assume 1N is 12-16? I was playing Acol and defending on this occasion , but hadn't discussed this.
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Posted 2025-February-20, 07:12

 mw64ahw, on 2025-February-20, 05:43, said:

Over 1♦-1♥ you will have a 1N response
Over 2♦-2♥-2♠ you will have a 3♥ response

Over 1N I bid 2♦ artificial GF looking for direction (hopefully a hearts raise).
Over 3♥ I bid 4♣ looking for spades control.
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Posted 2025-February-20, 07:58

View Postpescetom, on 2025-February-20, 07:12, said:

Over 1N I bid 2♦ artificial GF looking for direction (hopefully a hearts raise).
Over 3♥ I bid 4♣ looking for spades control.

East has a ♠ control
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Posted 2025-February-20, 08:05

View Postmw64ahw, on 2025-February-20, 07:58, said:

East has a ♠ control

Did he bypass a diamond control or are we assuming diamond control from the opening?
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Posted 2025-February-20, 08:11

View Postmw64ahw, on 2025-February-20, 06:16, said:

Using Crowhurst do you assume 1N is 12-16? I was playing Acol and defending on this occasion , but hadn't discussed this.


15-bad 19 for us, splitting 15-16/17-19
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Posted 2025-February-20, 08:41

View PostCyberyeti, on 2025-February-20, 08:11, said:

15-bad 19 for us, splitting 15-16/17-19

You will get a min. response to Crowhurst
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Posted 2025-February-20, 09:38

Pretty standard NA auction starts 1NT-2♣; 2♦ (I assume, if 2♥ different)-3♠ (4♠, 5♥, GF). Any bid that isn't 3NT will be a cue agreeing hearts.
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Posted 2025-February-20, 09:46

View Postmycroft, on 2025-February-20, 09:38, said:

Pretty standard NA auction starts 1NT-2♣; 2♦ (I assume, if 2♥ different)-3♠ (4♠, 5♥, GF). Any bid that isn't 3NT will be a cue agreeing hearts.

Does the 3♠ bid say anything about shape or honour concentration?
If not opener will raise to 4♥.
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Posted 2025-February-20, 11:12

View Postmw64ahw, on 2025-February-20, 08:41, said:

You will get a min. response to Crowhurst


2♥ ? or 2♦ ?
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Posted 2025-February-20, 11:18

View PostCyberyeti, on 2025-February-20, 11:12, said:

2♥ ? or 2♦ ?

2♦ may or may not have 3-card support
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Posted 2025-February-20, 11:47

View Postmw64ahw, on 2025-February-20, 11:18, said:

2♦ may or may not have 3-card support


not the way we play it, 2♦ = 15/16, not 4♠ not 3♥, 2♥ = 15/16 =3♥ may have 4♠, 2♠ = 15/16 4♠ not 3♥.
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Posted 2025-February-20, 11:58

View PostCyberyeti, on 2025-February-20, 11:47, said:

not the way we play it, 2♦ = 15/16, not 4♠ not 3♥, 2♥ = 15/16 =3♥ may have 4♠, 2♠ = 15/16 4♠ not 3♥.

In which case 32♥
What is the advantage of Crowhurst versus 2♠ as 5♥4♠ GF?
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Posted 2025-February-20, 12:17

View Postmw64ahw, on 2025-February-20, 11:58, said:

In which case 3♥
What is the advantage of Crowhurst versus 2♠ as 5♥4♠ GF?


3♥ over 2♣ would be 17-19 3♥, 2♥ would be 15-16. =3♥ means exactly 3 hearts if that confused you
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