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Posted 2025-May-14, 19:17


"And no matter what methods you play, it is essential, for anyone aspiring to learn to be a good player, to learn the importance of bidding shape properly." MikeH
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Posted 2025-May-14, 19:29

2NT. May be the 'slam killer' but I have nowhere to go if I open 1.
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Posted 2025-May-14, 19:58

My 20-21/upgraded 19s go though 2. 2N is so n/b.
Otherwise this balanced hand goes though 1.
If playing Acol it's 2N (19-20) to keep the n/b happy.
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Posted 2025-May-14, 20:37

I will try 1D
Or Mexican 2D if permitted
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Posted 2025-May-14, 21:52

2NT - we use 19-22.
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Posted 2025-May-14, 21:57

2nt , partner transfers to spades

1:1
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Posted 2025-May-14, 23:36

1D-1S
2Nt-?

Or
2D-2H
2S-?

2D=18-19 bal.
2H=tfr to spades. Denies various other hand types.
2S= Deny 4S
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Posted 2025-May-14, 23:51

1 - 1 transfer
1N 17-19 balanced
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Posted 2025-May-15, 00:08

View Postjillybean, on 2025-May-14, 21:57, said:

2nt , partner transfers to spades

1:1


#1 If I opened 2NT, then I will execute the xfer
#2 If I opened 1D, I will make the jump rebid to 2NT
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Posted 2025-May-15, 00:24

While I sympathize with opening 2N…..it’s a toss up for me and I’d like/dislike either to an equal degree…this time I opt for 1D. Just 3 hours ago I opened 2N on xxx AK9 Kx AKQ8x (I think this hand is a little stronger than the OP hand).

But if I opened 1D, 1S is one of the more welcome responses I could hope for. I have an easy 2N rebid….easy because if I felt that it was too strong for this, I would have opened 2N. I didn’t open 2N, ergo I then thought and still think that this is a 2N rebid.

Compare to how you’d feel if he’d responded 1H.
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Posted 2025-May-15, 00:30

I think this is worth a 2NT opening. Normally I hate upgrading into 2NT, and I think systemically stretching those to 19 is a mistake. This hand is too strong to be valued at 19 though, in my opinion.

If I don't open 2NT it depends a lot of system. I play Dutch Doubleton, Strong Club and standard systems. Each of them treat this hand differently. A common theme here is that this is a slightly awkward hand (well, not in strong club), especially if partner shows hearts.

You say that partner transfers to spades if we open 2NT. For me that transfer is forcing to game - does partner still bid it? I'm sorry for putting my system demands on your poll, I'm happy to answer something more standard instead.
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Posted 2025-May-15, 01:36

2N good 19 - 21

I complete the transfer
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Posted 2025-May-15, 06:07

A clear 2NT opening, no alternatives, too strong for 1 and 2NT rebid, not enough and not a 1 suited hand for a jump rebid. Plenty of reasons to upgrade, 5 card and many aces will do.
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Posted 2025-May-15, 06:54

If you opened 1, how imaginative is your partner?


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Posted 2025-May-15, 09:30

I would try for a slam with the North hand on the 1-1; 2NT-start.
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Posted 2025-May-15, 18:48

View PostDavidKok, on 2025-May-15, 09:30, said:

I would try for a slam with the North hand on the 1-1; 2NT-start.


"And no matter what methods you play, it is essential, for anyone aspiring to learn to be a good player, to learn the importance of bidding shape properly." MikeH
“Let me put it in words you might understand,” he said. “Mr. Trump, f–k off!” Anders Vistisen
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Posted 2025-May-15, 23:15

Difficult to be objective seeing both hands.

I suspect 2N-3-3-4N-6 might well be the auction, even though it's a 19 count, it's clearly worth more than that, and the only dubious card in the hand is in partner's suit so is now full value, so I would treat it as top half of good 19-21.

Strangely if you exchange the J and K of diamonds, we have a completely different auction and sail into slam after a 1-2 start, but Jxxx is not sufficiently good, nor is the hand for this bid.
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Posted 2025-May-15, 23:41

View Postjillybean, on 2025-May-15, 06:54, said:

If you opened 1, how imaginative is your partner?




Even after a 1D opening it gets hard to bypass 3NT, you have a combined 30HCP
and a bal. hand facing a (semi) bal. hand.
Responder will find out that the p does not have a spade fit, but a diamond fit.
The key card is the Queen of spade.

After a 2NT opening, opener has already stretched, i.e. he wont sell this hand as a max
any longer.
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Posted Yesterday, 20:26

Just here to see how many n/bs there are offering advice :)
That's almost certainly 2NT opener for me
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