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#1 User is offline   jillybean 

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Posted 2025-December-20, 12:31

How would you bid this? no special agreements for 3 suited, strong hands.



If you open 1C, partner bids 1D
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Posted 2025-December-20, 12:37

Do I play Dutch Doubleton or standard? Either way, partner's failure to respond 2 is good news. Are we playing Walsh?
My rebid is 2. I do not like it, and think on this hand 1 might well be better - but I've seen partners pass the 1 with 7-counts, insisting the bid is limited to about a bad 18, and I can't risk it without a more detailed discussion.
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Posted 2025-December-20, 13:07

Hi,

1C, followed by 2H.

This should show 54, forcing to game, ob. we will quite likely loose a possible 44 in spades, but that is life.

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Posted 2025-December-20, 15:17

2 opening for me playing reverse 'birthright'
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2 - 3 5+ denies 4 or 44s4
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Posted 2025-December-20, 15:51

I would probably have opened 1 by mistake on BBO, the suit looks as long as clubs and longer than spades :(

But having opened 1, my rebid after 1 is 2 and I like it more than I would if playing natural, although it does not cover all angles here.
Partner alerts it as being either the natural reverse or one of several strong hands with clubs: now can he force to game with 8+ HCP or equivalent?
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Posted 2025-December-20, 16:09

Playing more standard methods, 1-1-2

I would either bid 1-1-1 or if I felt like forcing to game 1-1-2N(GF unbal)-3(semi forced)-3(5+/4/<3) playing what I play, 1 is "forcing if you had a response".
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Posted 2025-December-20, 17:47

If you open 2, partner will show a positive bid in diamonds, if you have that ability, I don't.

Yeti, how do you do with your 18 hcp balanced openings? Apologies if I've asked this before.
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Posted 2025-December-20, 19:15

View Postjillybean, on 2025-December-20, 17:47, said:

If you open 2, partner will show a positive bid in diamonds, if you have that ability, I don't.

Yeti, how do you do with your 18 hcp balanced openings? Apologies if I've asked this before.


Rebid a 15-bad 19 1N (playing a 12-14 1N opener)

btw if partner has a LOT of diamonds (7+), the auction will go slightly differently
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Posted 2025-December-20, 20:57



Partner may struggle to believe a 2 opening :)
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Posted 2025-December-21, 05:29

View Postjillybean, on 2025-December-20, 20:57, said:

Partner may struggle to believe a 2 opening :)


Nowhere close to the best hand I've had opposite a strong 2



4 was solid suit, they didn't find the spade lead which would have required me to pitch the A to make

We would bid either:

1-1
1-1
3(huge 4405)-4 and on to 7

Our agreement is that over the 4 1-suits, we bid 1N with a minimum with 4 card support for spades, 2 shows extras, so 3 is enormous

Or:

1-1
2N (GF unbal)-3(semi forced)
3-4(better than most of the other available bids) now again you're going to reach 7.

A 2-3 start really cramps the auction, and we probably reach 7N which is likely to have good chances
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Posted 2025-December-21, 05:33

Nice hand, :) south has a clear 2C opening. I would not open the hand I posted 2C
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Posted 2025-December-21, 07:36

So I get the positive relay response

1C - 1D
2H - 2S(positive)
2N(nat reverse) - 4C(fix,SI)
4D - 4H
4S - 4N(even kc)
5D - 6D(!H,!S,DK,CQ)
7C - P

South could have gone a bit slower and found out about a decent spades suit, but I don't think he would. He has a good idea of the shape from the diamonds void, but he is not counting on 20 HCP in North and 7NT would still be a shot in the dark for either partner.
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Posted 2025-December-21, 17:43

1 then 2
We do play Walsh.

We have no trouble finding the spade fit later.
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