[manudude03]

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This caused some discussion today. Who should bid 4S? (noting that even 6 isn't a terrible contract even though it fails on the actual layout)

edit: vulnerability wrong, EW were vul, NS were not.

[petterb]

As East I would bid 2♠ over 2♥, 3♠ over X, and 4♠ over 3♠. East gets all the blame for missing game.

[wank]

petterb, on 2012-January-28, 16:28, said:

As East I would bid 2♠ over 2♥

that would be excessive - the double of 2♦ shows diamonds, not spades, but i agree that east deserves most of the blame for his other actions.

[lamford]

wank, on 2012-January-28, 18:00, said:

that would be excessive - the double of 2♦ shows diamonds, not spades, but i agree that east deserves most of the blame for his other actions.

I agree, but having failed to bid 2S on the previous two rounds, he should bid 3S on the third, having limited his hand.

[whereagles]

2S is exceedingly feeble lol.

[bluecalm]

Double should be t/o to hearts not just "diamonds".
Then E should bid 2S, probably even opposite dbl = diamonds it's good bid, I mean hiding 6carders is one sure fire way to lose at bridge.
Pass after 3S is the worst bid of them all for which E deserves 100% of blame on this hand.

[wank]

bluecalm, on 2012-January-28, 19:31, said:

Double should be t/o to hearts not just "diamonds".

no it shouldn't.

with take-out of hearts you can double 2♥, once they bid it, as he did subsequently. with diamonds you can only double 2♦

[Codo]

I disagree with the double of 2 ♦ to show real diamonds too. But not with the agreement- I play it myself.
But I had bid 2 ♥ to show my take out of hearts before the bidding gets too high. I think that this is a much better describtion then the double.

The obvious downside: If East is a point counter and finds just a 2 ♠ bid, I would pass- he may just hold 3 spades here... So it had to be east to jump to 3 ♠ with his nice shape. Close call...

After the given bidding, Easts final pass is silly. West bids as strong as he could and East holds a monster- at least if he looks at his shape...

[Zelandakh]

To answer the OP's question we need more information as to the methods. Usually when double of a transfer bid shows the suit then the cue is a strong take-out and delayed X a weaker take-out. What would the immediate cue have meant for this pair?