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How do you feel about this? All white, GNT open flight

Poll: What now? (26 member(s) have cast votes)

What now?

  1. Pass (0 votes [0.00%])

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  2. 3S (competitive) (1 votes [3.85%])

    Percentage of vote: 3.85%

  3. X (game try) (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  4. 4S (25 votes [96.15%])

    Percentage of vote: 96.15%

  5. cue bid (0 votes [0.00%])

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  6. Something else (0 votes [0.00%])

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#1 User is offline   CSGibson 

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Posted 2012-July-11, 15:44



Playing in the open flight of the national GNT competition (i.e., good ops). X would be a general game try. What do you do?

PS, their responsive double would be the type to show both minors, not the type to show exactly 4 hearts. You and your partner use drury aggressively over X, and raise aggressively too.
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Posted 2012-July-11, 16:03

4♠. It's unlikely to make, but they're probably making 4♥
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2012-July-11, 16:21

4s not just because it might have play but the opps might conceivably
be able to make 7h so we are trying to make their bidding life as
difficult as possible:))))))))))))))))))))) if the opps press on to 5h
pass and hope they have miscalculated somehow. I have a certain
respect for anyone with the guts to trot out 4n and sign off in 5s
(something i would do at favorable).
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Posted 2012-July-11, 18:59

4S. It might make. 4H probably does make.
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Posted 2012-July-11, 19:55

4D. That helps me get the write-up when I lead the spade 10 to partner's Jack, ruff the diamond, back to his 8 of spades that he carefully signaled when Dummy had 2, and then ruff another diamond.
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Posted 2012-July-11, 20:39

View Postkenrexford, on 2012-July-11, 19:55, said:

4D. That helps me get the write-up when I lead the spade 10 to partner's Jack, ruff the diamond, back to his 8 of spades that he carefully signaled when Dummy had 2, and then ruff another diamond.


Or, perhaps it leads partner to take an expensive phantom sacrifice on the "huge double fit" when he holds five diamonds to several honors.

I'll go with a pedestrian 4♠ thank you. :)
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Posted 2012-July-11, 20:43

4S

I think there is a good chance West has a big overcall in diamonds. I also dont think its that likely they are going to compete to 5H.
So that why I dont like 4D or sandbagging with 3S & a delayed 4S.
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Posted 2012-July-11, 22:27

View Postkenrexford, on 2012-July-11, 19:55, said:

4D. That helps me get the write-up when I lead the spade 10 to partner's Jack, ruff the diamond, back to his 8 of spades that he carefully signaled when Dummy had 2, and then ruff another diamond.


It will certainly get you a writeup when one of the opps wins with the stiff J of S and makes an otherwise unmakeable contract.
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Posted 2012-July-12, 01:07

View Postkenrexford, on 2012-July-11, 19:55, said:

4D. That helps me get the write-up when I lead the spade 10 to partner's Jack, ruff the diamond, back to his 8 of spades that he carefully signaled when Dummy had 2, and then ruff another diamond.

You bid 4♦ because your partner is too stupid to work out why he's been put on lead with ♠J?
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2012-July-12, 01:08

Are ken's ideas really so strange that noone can tell when he is joking any more? Or maybe it is just me that can't tell when he is serious....
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Posted 2012-July-12, 01:31

View PostZelandakh, on 2012-July-12, 01:08, said:

Are ken's ideas really so strange that noone can tell when he is joking any more? Or maybe it is just me that can't tell when he is serious....


He is always serious

I bid 4♠ because i am very likely to make.
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Posted 2012-July-12, 02:04

Surely it is better to underlead with a small card, maybe partner has 8xx and declarer doesn't play the J from dummy.
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Posted 2012-July-12, 03:36

I probably succumb to game out of fear. Of course when it's off 2 because pard has diamond values and no entry....I'll only have myself to play.
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Posted 2012-July-12, 04:20

Do we have a mixed raise available over the x?

4♠ looks normal in the forums but IRL partner has a doubleton heart, 3 spades and imperfect values in the minors. I think partner can accept my game try with a stiff heart on his own. This will also stop our aggro opps from bidding 5♥ which we might or might not beat.
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Posted 2012-July-12, 04:56

View PostZelandakh, on 2012-July-12, 01:08, said:

Are ken's ideas really so strange that noone can tell when he is joking any more? Or maybe it is just me that can't tell when he is serious....

One sane person. Whew!
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Posted 2012-July-12, 05:11

View Postkenrexford, on 2012-July-12, 04:56, said:

One sane person. Whew!

But how were we supposed to know?
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2012-July-12, 05:18

View Postgnasher, on 2012-July-12, 05:11, said:

But how were we supposed to know?

Fair point. I mean, the logic of having to bid the diamonds to make the 10 of spades not suit pref but actually enabling a signal of the 8 is quite compelling, even if insane, and genius is very similar and close to insanity.

The question, then, is whether past theories support one hypothesis or another, but then you start to wonder appropriately how many past "knowns" are misunderstood jokes also. A quandry...
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Posted 2012-July-12, 05:19

The fine line between insanity and comedy is being blurred more and more by the day.
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Posted 2012-July-12, 06:43

4S sure appears best. We do not even mind being doubled. I can not imagine any other choice
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Posted 2012-July-12, 10:30

View Postlalldonn, on 2012-July-12, 05:19, said:

The fine line between insanity and comedy is being blurred more and more by the day.



Ah, but at least YOU have known this for some time. :rolleyes:
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