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Bidding 17HCP Hand in a Balancing Seat

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Posted 2013-January-14, 07:15

♠ A K 5
♥ J 10 7 5
♦ A Q 9
♣ Q J 2

Bidding goes 1H-P-P-? Too strong for 1NT in a balancing seat, right?
If after Double partner bids 2C what to do next?
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Posted 2013-January-14, 07:16

SteveMoe:
"This hand starts with "Double!" "


aguahombre:
"Yes, IMO it is too strong for a balancing 1NT.
After doubling and getting a 2C advance by partner, 2NT seems right, on the add-a-king theory. "
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Posted 2013-January-14, 07:17

SteveMoe:
"This hand starts with "Double!" "


aguahombre:
"Yes, IMO it is too strong for a balancing 1NT.
After doubling and getting a 2C advance by partner, 2NT seems right, on the add-a-king theory. "
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Posted 2013-January-14, 07:44

Well, usually nowadays a reopening 1 NT shows around 11-14 HCPS. So with a stronger hand you double first and bid NT later.
In your example you bid X and 2 NT to shw a balanced hand with 15-17 HCPS.
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Posted 2013-January-14, 07:53

Indeed, double and bid NT is the only way I ever learned to bid this hand in the balancing seat. Might be better moved to beginner/novice forum.
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Posted 2013-January-14, 08:09

2NT shows 17-19 for me and I would bid it. 15-16 hands double and then cry for having no rebid over 2m
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Posted 2013-January-14, 09:49

View PostFluffy, on 2013-January-14, 08:09, said:

15-16 hands double and then cry for having no rebid over 2m

We have found the wider range of 12-16 for a 1NT balance to be o.k. Some people even use a "range-ask" opposite these balancing bids, if they need the clarification.
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Posted 2013-January-14, 09:56

I play 1N over a minor as 11-14. The generally accepted range over a major is 11-16, but some specifically play 11-16 over 1 only.

2N shows 19-20. So x and 1N = 15-17 over 1m and 17-18 over 1M.
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Posted 2013-January-14, 17:17

Phil: "So x and 1N = 15-17 over 1m and 17-18 over 1M"

Doubled on this hand but partner bid 2C and NT had to be at the 2-level. 2C would be made but 2NT was impossible to make with decent defence.
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Posted 2013-January-14, 17:41

View Postbarsikb, on 2013-January-14, 17:17, said:

Phil: "So x and 1N = 15-17 over 1m and 17-18 over 1M"

Doubled on this hand but partner bid 2C and NT had to be at the 2-level. 2C would be made but 2NT was impossible to make with decent defence.


Sorry, "cheapest NT" after (1M) p p x; p anything p. Usually 2N but one case where its 1N.
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