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Pass their preempt?

Poll: Pass their preempt? (12 member(s) have cast votes)

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  1. Double the first time around (0 votes [0.00%])

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  2. Pass (11 votes [91.67%] - View)

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  3. 4H (1 votes [8.33%] - View)

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#1 User is offline   Jinksy 

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Posted 2016-December-17, 13:59



IMP pairs.
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Posted 2016-December-17, 14:34

View PostJinksy, on 2016-December-17, 13:59, said:



IMP pairs.

If LoTT is accurate on this board, then with 17 total trumps (instead of 16, as here), 4♥ is only right if total tricks are divided 10-7, 12-5 or 13-4 in our favour. So P is likely best even then. Also, the 3433 shape and the club holding tend to bring the trick total down, so P is obvious.
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Posted 2016-December-17, 15:03

it's always difficult when we can see both hands, but it does seem like an automatic pass - we have no guarantee whatsoever of a heart fit and we have AJ8 in trumps!!
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Posted 2016-December-17, 18:48

View Posteagles123, on 2016-December-17, 15:03, said:

it's always difficult when we can see both hands, but it does seem like an automatic pass - we have no guarantee whatsoever of a heart fit and we have AJ8 in trumps!!

Yes, opponents are pushing us around. Pass and this is a opening lead problem.
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Posted 2016-December-17, 18:50

View Postnullve, on 2016-December-17, 14:34, said:

If LoTT is accurate on this board, then with 17 total trumps (instead of 16, as here), 4♥ is only right if total tricks are divided 10-7, 12-5 or 13-4 in our favour. So P is likely best even then. Also, the 3433 shape and the club holding tend to bring the trick total down, so P is obvious.

So much for LoTT.lol We can see that there are only 15 total trumps. Also opponents have bid to the 4 level with only 8 trumps while missing AKJ of trumps.
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Posted 2016-December-17, 19:07

You shouldn't have posted the west hand IMO, it will bias the responses. Most often the opponents do not have 8 trumps and 10 HCP to bid to 4C. If you had posted the west hand as KQxx QJxxx Axxx -- I'm sure you'd get different responses. That is certainly a much more common hand type than a balanced 19 count on this auction when we have the east hand.
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Posted 2016-December-17, 19:35

View Postjogs, on 2016-December-17, 18:50, said:

We can see that there are only 15 total trumps.

Haha, yes.
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Posted 2016-December-17, 20:33

View PostPhantomSac, on 2016-December-17, 19:07, said:

You shouldn't have posted the west hand IMO, it will bias the responses. Most often the opponents do not have 8 trumps and 10 HCP to bid to 4C. If you had posted the west hand as KQxx QJxxx Axxx -- I'm sure you'd get different responses. That is certainly a much more common hand type than a balanced 19 count on this auction when we have the east hand.


Yeah, not sure why I did that :unsure:

What's your call, though? (and what opposite KQxx QJxxx Axxx - ? :P)
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Posted 2016-December-19, 14:57

View PostJinksy, on 2016-December-17, 20:33, said:

Yeah, not sure why I did that :unsure:

What's your call, though? (and what opposite KQxx QJxxx Axxx - ? :P)


idk tbh, I'd probably pass but might depend on my opps. Vs little old ladies I would bet that it's right to bid. Vs crazy juniors I'd be happy to pass :)
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