[BillHiggin]

Scoring: IMP

... ... (p) 1♦
(p) 1♠ (p) ?

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What is your move and what do you expect p to do over that with any of the possibly useful values he might have?

2/1, assume normal agreements or explain your invention.

[aguahombre]

4C --Partner will expect 4-6 in the pointed suits, slam interest, undisclosed which rounded suit is short. He will also expect my diamonds to be solid, so I have lied on at least two of these things. But that is all the bidding room I am willing to consume, and want partner to help us get to the wrong level.

[Phil]

aguahombre, on May 29 2009, 11:49 AM, said:

4C --Partner will expect 4-6 in the pointed suits, slam interest, undisclosed which rounded suit is short.  He will also expect my diamonds to be solid, so I have lied on at least two of these things.  But that is all the bidding room I am willing to consume, and want partner to help us get to the wrong level.

You've made some good arguments for 4♦ - is that what you meant to say instead?

PS: I bid 4♣.

[JLOL]

4C

[aguahombre]

Phil, on May 29 2009, 11:55 AM, said:

aguahombre, on May 29 2009, 11:49 AM, said:

4C --Partner will expect 4-6 in the pointed suits, slam interest, undisclosed which rounded suit is short.  He will also expect my diamonds to be solid, so I have lied on at least two of these things.  But that is all the bidding room I am willing to consume, and want partner to help us get to the wrong level.

You've made some good arguments for 4♦ - is that what you meant to say instead?

No, i don't want to tell a 3rd lie and deny slam interest (which 4D does per agreement).

[Phil]

aguahombre, on May 29 2009, 12:03 PM, said:

Phil, on May 29 2009, 11:55 AM, said:

aguahombre, on May 29 2009, 11:49 AM, said:

4C --Partner will expect 4-6 in the pointed suits, slam interest, undisclosed which rounded suit is short.  He will also expect my diamonds to be solid, so I have lied on at least two of these things.  But that is all the bidding room I am willing to consume, and want partner to help us get to the wrong level.

You've made some good arguments for 4♦ - is that what you meant to say instead?

No, i don't want to tell a 3rd lie and deny slam interest (which 4D does per agreement).

Perhaps I can help:

1. 4♣ doesn't show solid diamonds, doesn't show 6 diamonds and isn't non-specific as to where my round suit shortness is.

2. 4♦ does not deny slam interest. By virtue of the fact that you have forcing to game means that you have substantial playing strength. As a matter of fact the modern interpretation is that 4♦ shows a hand better than Axxx x AKJxxx xx, which is a textbook example of a Walsh Jump from the 1970's.

I still think you are misreading the problem.

[neilkaz]

Another 4♣ splinterer here.

[aguahombre]

[quote name='Phil' date='May 29 2009, 12:08 PM']
[/QUOTE]
Perhaps I can help:

1. 4[cl] doesn't show solid diamonds, doesn't show 6 diamonds and isn't non-specific as to where my round suit shortness is.

2. 4[di] does not deny slam interest. By virtue of the fact that you have forcing to game means that you have substantial playing strength. As a matter of fact the modern interpretation is that 4[di] shows a hand better than Axxx x AKJxxx xx, which is a textbook example of a Walsh Jump from the 1970's.

I still think you are misreading the problem.[/QUOTE]

that is helpful in knowing what your methods are. Ours are different, and I don't presume to say better --just different. Somehow, I thought our differentiation between 4d and 4c was from the Hardy/Walsh era, also --and that the hand you gave (AXXX X AKJXXX XX) was a 4D rebid after a spade response.

[hanp]

With Arend I play that 4D shows semi-solid diamonds (we show solid diamonds differently) so that is an option. Playing standard I would also bid 4C.

[se12sam]

What if partner spurns your splinter and bids 4♠. Will you pass now with the South hand or make one more move?
If the consensus is "one more move" then why not 5♣ as Exclusion Key Card immediately?

[rogerclee]

hanp, on May 29 2009, 10:23 AM, said:

With Arend I play that 4D shows semi-solid diamonds (we show solid diamonds differently) so that is an option. Playing standard I would also bid 4C.

I would bid 4♣ anyway given these two options.

[neilkaz]

se12sam, on May 29 2009, 12:26 PM, said:

What if partner spurns your splinter and bids 4♠. Will you pass now with the South hand or make one more move?
If the consensus is "one more move" then why not 5♣ as Exclusion Key Card immediately?

When PD signs off after the splinter can't we be rather certain that he has no ♥ control or an absolute minimum?

[skjaeran]

4♣, void in my methods.
5♦ over 4♠, but this is close.

[kenrexford]

4♣, but I'm tempted to manufacture a 2♥ reverse.

[JLOL]

kenrexford, on May 29 2009, 01:40 PM, said:

4♣, but I'm tempted to manufacture a 2♥ reverse.

LOL

[cherdanno]

kenrexford, on May 29 2009, 01:40 PM, said:

4♣, but I'm tempted to manufacture a 2♥ reverse.

No 3♣ from you?

[kenrexford]

cherdanno, on May 29 2009, 01:54 PM, said:

kenrexford, on May 29 2009, 01:40 PM, said:

4♣, but I'm tempted to manufacture a 2♥ reverse.

No 3♣ from you?

Too little upside. 2♥ at least gets partner looking at the right cards. The problem is that he will always believe that I have hearts. The upside is that my fifth spade means that he won't likely have four hearts anyway, so the risk of a heart raise is VERY minimal. If I do get one, I know know that we have a 10-fit in spades, however.

Were my hand ♠AKxxx ♥--- ♦10x ♣AQJ108x, I would absolutely reverse to 2♦.

[mtvesuvius]

4♣

[Hanoi5]

4♦ and 5♣ over 4♠.

[kenrexford]

BTW -- the other lure to a 2♥ reverse is the obvious devious side to it.